Comunitários do Arapiuns manifestam contra a exploração madeireira na Gleba Nova Olinda

24 de outubro de 2009 por Fabienne Simenel

Manifestantes prenderam balsas de madeira exigindo maior fiscalização e regularização da terra

Fotos: Timo Santala

Manifestantes marchando na praia em frente de São Pedro

Dia 22 de outubro, nove horas da manhã. Depois de uma viagem de voadeira de quatro horas chegamos na ponta de areia em frente à comunidade de São Pedro, no rio Arapiuns. A praia, decorada com bandeiras brancas, hospeda cerca de 300 pessoas vindas de 27 comunidades da Reserva Extrativista Tapajós/Arapiuns, do PEAEX Lago Grande e da Gleba Nova Olinda. Os ribeirinhos entram no décimo-primeiro dia de manifestação. Vieram de canoa, rabeta e barco comunitário para protestar contra a exploração ilegal de madeira na área e para exigir do Governo Estadual do Pará uma maior fiscalização da madeira e a regularização fundiária da Gleba Nova Olinda. Os manifestantes contam com o apoio de entidades como o Sindicato dos Trabalhadores e Trabalhadoras Rurais de Santarém (STTR), a Federação das Associações do Lago Grande (FEAGLE) e a Tapajoara-RESEX. Atrás da ponta de praia, estão duas balsas com madeira e duas balsas vazias, prendidas pelos próprios comunitários. Depois de muitos anos de negociação pelos direitos à terra, e de ver de cinco até dez balsas de madeira saírem da região por semana, chegou o limite para o povo do Arapiuns. Danilson, liderança do povo Borari da Aldeia Novo Lugar, resume o sentido da manifestação: “O governo atual é que nem mocotó. Só vai sob pressão”.

Ordenamento territorial

O momento da manifestação não é coincidência: as Glebas do rio Arapiuns estão em pleno processo de ordenamento territorial. Em junho, a Governadora Ana Júlia decretou sete Projetos Estaduais de Assentamento Sustentável (PEAS) e três Projetos de Assentamento Estaduais Agroextrativista (PAEAX) na área. A proposta faz parte do plano do Governo Estadual para criar novas unidades de conservação, áreas de uso e manejo comunitário e áreas para concessão florestal. No Decreto foram incluídas as PEAEX de Aruã e outra de Vista Alegre do Maró, ambos conectados ao Rio Arapiuns. Por entanto, no último caso as comunidades de Prainha e Vista Alegre do Maró reclamaram que a área destinadas a elas foi muito menor do que aquilo que haviam reivindicado nas audiências públicas e no processo de discussão a Limitação Administrativa Provisória – LAP, que decolou este processo. “O que foi proposto pelas comunidades, no caso da Prainha e da Vista Alegre do Maró, foi entorno de 25 mil hectares. Mas ela foi apenas decretada com 5 mil 719 hectares”, afirmou Manoel Edivaldo dos Santos Matos, do STTR. Nas demais regiões das Glebas Mamuru-Arapiuns, como a região de Mariazinha e as áreas de comunidades indígenas, o processo ainda aguarda a decisão do Governo.

Lideranças do Arapiuns concedem entrevista para a Rede Mocoronga

Fiscalização

A maior indignação dos manifestantes é com a falta de monitoramento e de não levar em prática as decisões que foram colocados no papel pelo Governo do Estado. Dinael Cardoso, membro do comando da manifestação explica: “ Nós não temos nada em contra dos funcionários da empresa madeireira, mas estamos contra os planos de manejo que foram feitos. A maior vergonha é que os nossos órgãos ambientais na cidade de Santarém, tanto municipal como estadual e federal, não fiscalizam essas balsas”. Danilson concorda: “O governo já aprovou planos de manejo aqui na região sem conversar com as pessoas daqui. A madeira está sendo levada enquanto os verdadeiros donos que somos nós, que nascemos aqui, vemos passar na nossa frente nossas riquezas indo embora”.

Apesar da indignação dos manifestantes, o protesto é pacífico. A praia é cenário de debates, palestras educativas e futebol, e conta com uma cozinha solidária. A rádio comunitária de São Pedro, vinculada à Rede Mocoronga de Comunicação Popular do Projeto Saúde e Alegria, toca músicas regionais e notícias. Entre os manifestantes se encontram crianças, idosos, jovens e mulheres. O ambiente é de união e paciência.


Negociações

No dia 21 de outubro, essa paciência foi recompensada com a visita da Secretaria Estadual do Meio Ambiente e do Instituto de Desenvolvimento Florestal do Estado do Pará – Ideflor. Depois de negociações, os manifestantes concordaram em deixar as balsas vazias voltarem para Santarém. Porém, as balsas de madeira ficaram no Arapiuns. “Ontem o chefe da Fiscalização do Governo do Estado disse que ele era consciente que dentro dessa balsa que está aqui presa conosco tem mais da metragem da madeira autorizada, mas que ele não pudia medir esta madeira por que não tinha pátio”, relata Dinael. Os manifestantes exigem que a madeira que está nas balsas seja identificada e medida na própria comunidade de São Pedro, juntos com os comunitários do movimento. Em caso de encontrar irregularidades, os manifestantes propõem que a madeira seja doada às comunidades do Rio Arapiuns.

Balsas apreendidas pelos comunitários

Além dessa proposta, os manifestantes querem que sejam cancelados os planos de manejo da Gleba Nova Olinda, e que seja feita a  regularização das terras indígenas do Maró com a demarcação feita pela FUNAI e o Governo do Estado. Outra proposta dos manifestantes é fazer a doação das madeiras derrubadas pelas empresas na Gleba Nova Olinda, criando um fundo de reserva de benefício através de leilões por uma parte, e por outra parte  para as comunidades afetadas pelas enchentes do município de Santarém. As propostas são incluídas num documento, que está sendo enviado à Santarém.

Na nossa despedida dos manifestantes, o sol já estava se pondo acima do rio. O povo do Arapiuns passará mais uma noite dormindo na praia em frente de São Pedro, na espera de novas negociações. Os defensores da floresta continuam com o protesto pacífico, em prol da preservação do meio ambiente e dos direitos dos ribeirinhos. Danilson tem confiança que a manifestação não será em vão:“Não somos bestas não, somos cidadães brasileiros. Sabemos revindicar os nossos direitos”.

799 Responses to “Comunitários do Arapiuns manifestam contra a exploração madeireira na Gleba Nova Olinda”

  1. Rose Says:

    Cadê o governo que nao fiscaliza essas balsas da madeira e da destruição

  2. Tarcísio Feitosa Says:

    Um fiscal que diz não ter condições de medir uma madeira dentro de uma balsa, no minimo tá cometendo um crime de incompetência, pois entre uma tora e hora sempre há um espaço onde se pode colocar a trena de um lado para o outro, e outra coisa.. dá muito bem para tirar uma média da volumetria….
    Os comunitários de Porto de Moz quando bloquearam o rio Jaraucu na mesma situação anos atrás fizerem a mesma medição…

  3. Pseu-índio Says:

    Tarcício Feitosa, o chefe da fiscalização nunca falou que não tem como medir. Pelo contrário, ele falou que a madeira está tudo legal.

    E Dona Rose, o Governo ja fiscalizou (SEMA e IBAMA) e ja constararam que toda a madeira é legal. Essa não é a balsa da destruição e sim a balsa do desenvolimento SUSTENTÁVEL (toda a madeira é plano de manejo sustentável)

  4. Rose Says:

    Pseu-índio,
    No seu próprio nome você traz toda sua visão de desenvolvimento nada sustentável. Sobre a fiscalização, gostaria que saber em quais documentos você está se baseando. Por acaso é naqueles papéis que um tal sr. Braum sai mostrando na televisão, que ninguém tem acesso para ver sua veracidade. Nesse quesito, essa turma de madeireiros cupins da amazônia são bem especialistas. De maquiar documentos. O seu desenvolvimento sustentável deve servir pra sustentar so vc, porque para o povo do arapiuns, não sustenta nada.

  5. rosilene Says:

    São pessoas que sentem a realidade de viver na amazonia e de ver nossas riquezas como vc. citou Rose, passar em nossa frente. Se fala tanto de preservação,ja que não é possivel, cadê o reflorestamento? Nós amazonidas somos pacificos sim! e aqueles nossos representantes a qual votamos fazem o que mesmo em favor de nossas riquezas de nossas vidas? Se falando de manejo acredito que esta questão tem que ser revista uma vez que na verdade os grandes beneficiados nào são gente daqui.

  6. Pseu-índio Says:

    Rose, quer ver os documentos? Assim como todos os Planos de Manejo Florestal Sustentável, TODOS os documentos estão disponíveis no site da SEMA. Não precisa fazer cadastro nem nada. Está aberto pra toda população. Mas se, por acaso, falta-lhe conhecimento para acessa-lo (assim como lhe conhecimento sobre o Plano de Manejo), me passa o seu e-mail que terei todo o prazer de te enviar uma cópia.

    Quanto ao “Pseudo-índio”, é uma homenagem ao Odair, que de índio não tem NADA (todo mundo sabe disso, inclusive a FUNAI que não o reconhece como tal).

    Sei que o seu ponto de vista é esse não por maldade, e sim por falta de esclarecimento. Por isso, estou a disposição para te mostrar os documentos e esclarecer qualquer outra desavença.

    Obrigado

  7. Pseu-índio Says:

    Outra coisa Rose, das 14 comunidades da Gleba Nova Olinda, 11 são contra o movimento. Só as 3 que são “pseudo-indio” apoiam o movimento. Sendo assim, o povo da Gleba Nova Olinda está contra quem?

  8. Rose Says:

    Não é isso que mostram as listas de presença do movimento.

  9. Pseu-índio Says:

    Lista de presença do movimento? Me passa o seu e-mail qu e eu te mostra a ata de assembleia realizada semana passada. Todos os PRESIDENTES destas comunidades assinaram essa assembleia (tudo registrado pela imprensa). Agora, me mostra essa lista de presença! Me dá o seu e-mail que eu te mando a ata dessa assembleia..

  10. Rose Says:

    Pseudo índio, se vc me disser seu nome, eu mando meu email publicamente. Agora, se você acredita na imprensa de Santarém, espere até o natal, porque vc deve acreditar também no papai noel.

  11. Pedro Says:

    Meu nome é Pedro. Não foi a imprensa de Santarém. Foi o chefe de Fiscalização da SEMA que, diante das cameras do SBT e da Record, declarou que a madeira está toda LEGAL. Agora, cadê o documento ou imagem que prova que a sema falou que a madeira é ilegal?

  12. Rose Says:

    Você é Pedro, pedreiro? Com certeza não é aquele que canta o Chico Buarque. Você deve ser um daqueles madeireiros ou trabalhando para eles, que vem com essa papo furado que é tudo legalzinho. Pelo que sei, essa exploração de madeira no Arapiuns já é antiga, mesmo antes do governo do estado vim com essa proposta de legalizar o ilegalizável. Só que agora me parece que os moradores tomaram para si a proteção daquilo que lhes pertence. É uma briga de interesses realmente. E vocẽ deve estar defendendo o seu. O problema é que o seu interesse, e do pequeno grupo que vc deve participar ou trabalhar para eles, é um grupinho que quer enriquecer às custas da destruição ambiental e da exploração das comunidades.

  13. Pedro Says:

    É Rose. Achei que daria pra dialogar contigo esclarecendo os fatos. Mas pelo jeito, você é daquelas que nao respeita ordem e lei nenhuma, por isso, pra você, todos estão errados (com excessão daqueles que estão contigo). Não adiantar mostrar documentos, relatórios e etc.. O “disse que me disse” é muito mais importante para você. Aliás, para você não, pois duvido que você more naquela região. Se você morasse, seria diferente. Quando vc fala “moradores”, prova a sua ignorancia do assunto, já que das 14 comunidades, apenas 3 apoiam esse movimento e as outras 11 já estão se mobilizando contra esses marginais. Ou seja, o meu grupinho é das 11 comunidades. O seu “grupão” é dos gatos pingadas das outras 3 que viraram índio da noite pro dia e que nem a Funai o reconhece como tal e são lá da Terra de Chico Buarque e agora se acham os entedidos das comunidades ribeirinhas da Amazônia.

    Rose, já que você não é dialogável, já que não adiantar mostrar provas, documentos, relatórios, depoimentos e etc (e nem teve coragem de passar o e-mail para eu te passar todas as provas), já vi que essa discussão não vai levar a lugar nenhum. Pois independente do que eu mostrar ou de quem confirmar, a sua opinião já está formada (ou seria “financiada”?). O que me alivia, é saber que a VERDADE sempre prevalece sobre a mentira.

    Que a verdade prevaleça…

  14. Rose Says:

    Blz Pedro,
    O diálogo com você seria o mesmo que dar murro em uma árvore, só que diferente de você eu não tenho uma moto-serra. Não é para mim que você tem que mostrar os seus documentos “quentes”, é para o ministério público federal, pois o tal movimento de gatos pingados que você chama, já protocolou denuncia formal, conforme li na internet. Porque você não leva seus documentos lá? Realmente não moro lá, mas meus pais sim e já estive lá onde esta acontecendo o movimento.
    Outra coisa, porque você, ao invés de me perseguir tentando descobrir quem sou eu (pra depois eu ficar como muitos ameaçados por aí por essa turma de sojeiros e madeireiros que vc faz parte), não envia seus documentos também para os meios de comunicação, para este Blog, por exemplo, quem sabe eles acreditam no teu papo de santidade.

  15. Flávia Regina Says:

    Rose voçê quer defender o verde da Amazônia ou está interessada nas nota$ verde$ do Greenpeace. Procura defender movimento sério Rose, não essa picaretagem de falsos índios que até a família do cacique picareta diz que ele não é índio.

  16. Rose Says:

    Flávia,
    Me faz rir. Onde é que está sendo feita essa distribuição de notas verdes do greenpeace. Me conta que tô indo já lá.

  17. KARLA Says:

    Mera opinião:
    Quem quer realmente conhecer a atual situação da região em questão basta pegar um barco em Santarém e ir ate lá e conversar pessoalmente com o povo que mora lá, que nasceu lá, que esta lá a diversas gerações. Só uma dica, são 14 comunidades e é preciso ir a todas, pois a opinião so podera ser formada indo em cada uma delas e vivenciando a situação real que cada uma vive. Eu posso dizer que já estive por lá que o clima é realmente tranquilo entre 11 das 14 comunidades, e que ninguem destas 11 comunidades reconhece este povo indigena que lá surgiu. E realmente estas 11 das 14 comunidades são contra este manifesto e estão sim tomando todas as providencias para declarar em publico esta contrariedade. O problema é que estas 11 comunidades não possuem financiadores como as 3 que estao no protesto possuem das ONGs. Mas tenho fé que a verdade ira prevalecer também!

  18. Gabriel Malta Says:

    Como democrático que é, apresento a vcs este vídeo que está no youtube, é sobre a manifestação que está acontecendo. Espero contribuir para o esclarecimento da situação
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O1xdoaNdnE

  19. Gabriel Malta Says:

    Só uma sugstão…
    Prezada Rose, o conselho da sra Karla é muito sábio, vá até lá conversar com as comunidades e descobrir quem é quem nessa história. Concordo com vc quando vc desconfia da imprensa, na verdade eu desconfio de todas, não só a de santarém. Devemos sempre ter cautela com as notícias…. Pois então, vc tem a chance de saber a verdade, vá até a área e converse com as pessoas, vc irá ter uma grande surpresa sobre o Greenpeace, sobre alguns supostos índios e sobre alguns madeireiros da região. Vais descobrir os benefícios de um projeto de manejo para o meio ambiente e para as pessoas que moram na região, e vais descobrir muitas coisas sobre determinadas ONGs que estão na Amazônia. Espero que a verdade venha a tona o quanto antes!

  20. Rose Says:

    gabriel e flavia,

    “Compete a Funai esclarecer se determinada pessoa é indígena ou não”, a partir de estudos antropológicos. Por isso não precisa nem vc, nem a Flavia nem ninguém tentarem ridicularizar quem quer se assumir indígena, porque, como já disse, mesmo se os estudos da Funai não o reconhecerem, é um direito constitucional da pessoa auto-afirmar sua identidade étnica.

    Mas eu entendo bem a preocupação de vocês, porque pelo que andei me informando, se a Funai reconhecer parte daquela área da nova olinda, como terra indígena, as madeireiras não vão poder avançar mais do que já estão avançando sobre a floresta da região. Deve ser por isso que vcs estão tão preocupados.

    Sobre a legalidade ou não da exploração madeireira, me desculpe, mas vai demorar muito para termos madeireiras no padrão de certificação ambiental que tenham alguma credibilidade, como já existem alguma no estado do amazonas. Ter papel e carimbos, no país da burocracia dos papéis, onde quem tem mais dinheiro sempre leva mais vantagem, pra mim sempre vai ser objeto de indignação. Duvido muito sobre seus planos de manejo sustentáveis. O que compõe esse plano? tirar a madeira, devastando a floresta, empregado alguns comunitários arregimentados para o trabalho pesado com um salário de peões e o que mais? Quais as infra-estruturas que essas empresas implantam nas comunidades que beneficiam seu desenvolvimento? Por acaso alguma dessas madeireiras, tem um plano de reflorestamento? Em quantos séculos? Por favor, lorota eu só escutava do meu avó, caboclo bom contador de estórias do imaginario amazônico.

    Quanto à reportagem, a matéria não é do impacto mas não tem nada de muito melhor. Continua dando vozes apenas ao lado que interesse ao grupo econômico da exploração madeireira. Nenhum dos manifestantes foram ouvidos ou falaram na matéria. Porque?

    “E pelo que sei, existem madeireiros nesse padrão na Gleba Nova Olinda, que empregam pessoas e fazem bem ao meio ambiente” Vc prestou atenção quando escreveu principalmente essa ultima frase. Vocês desmatam a floresta e dizem que estão fazendo bem ao meio ambiente. Só se for ao bolso ambiente de vcs.

    Já a flávia, continue lendo os artigos do inácio, grande pesquisador da realidade amazônica. Assessor de dois governadores. O Jatene e o Almir, dois grandes contribuidores para tornar o pará o estado campeão de conflitos e mortes no campo, por motivos muito parecidos com esse tema da discussão. Agora ele deve ter sido assessor do vice Odair, esse aí mais uma piada para a nossa região.

    Gente, eu sei muito bem do que estou falando. Sou estudante de engenharia florestal na ufra e minha família é quase toda do arapiuns. Sou jovem ainda, mas espero ter tempo que ter floresta para trabalhar num outro modelo de desenvolvimento para a nossa região, que pode ser de base florestal, mas não nesse modelo de cupins, que comem tudo e não deixam nada nas comunidades. E o pior, ainda compram com míseros salários alguns para poder falar bem do madeireiro bonzinho.

    E não me venham com esse papo de greenpeace e ONg. Tudo que é contra o que vocês pregam, vão logo dizendo que é ong ou greenpeace. Tá na hora de vocês pensarem melhor que nem tudo que vcs fazem tá certo mesmo. Vocês vão ter que saber negociar seus interesses a partir de uma outra lógica.

  21. Gabriel Malta Says:

    Rose,
    Asseguro a vc que jamais minha intenção foi desrespeitar sua opinião, só quis dar a vc a sugestão de conhcer o trabalho feito por algumas pessoas. Digo algumas, porque sei que existem madeireiros que só se preocupam com o seu bolso, eu diria que a maioria deles. E acho, sinceramente, que isso deve ser altamente combatido, até porque é concorrência desleal para aqueles que trabalham de acordo com a lei. Não é fácio nem barato fazer um projeto de manejo, os madeireiros que trabalham errado são um obstáculo para quem trabalha corretamente, precisam ser combatidos. Mas Rose, acredite que em todas as classes do mundo existem pessoas sérias e pessoas não sérias. E acredite que tem gente nessas ONGs com interesses escusos, pessoas que não querem o bem para o meio ambiente, ou Amazônia. Sinceramente, o que estou falando é porque conheço, já fui até lá e visitei um Projeto de Manejo, por isso te asseguro que tem gente séria e honesta lá dentro, que paga salário digno, com carteira assinada e gera renda para pessoas que precisavam disso. Não acho que vc está certa ao jogar todo mundo num balaio só, isso não é justo. Separe o joio do trigo, dê essa chance a vc e vá conhecer a realidade de lá, se for teu interesse posso te ajudar e passar meu contato.

  22. Gabriel Malta Says:

    retificando: fácil, com L, Escrevi sem querer a letra O no final e qd vi já tinha postado. rsrs 🙂

  23. Gabriel Malta Says:

    Rose, como vc é engenheira florestal, seria muito interessante vc conhecer de perto a realidade de lá. Vais conhecer o Projeto qué uma coisa da tua área, e vai conversar com as pessoas que trabalham lá, pergunte qd elas ganham, se tem carteira assinada, o que acham do trabalho feito lá dentro. Estou falando isso sobre o Projeto que eu conheço, os demais não tenho conhecimento, mas qt a este, pelo menos um daquela área posso te assegurar que é algo correto e até bonito de se ver!

  24. Gabriel Malta Says:

    Rose, o Projeto que conheço está em processo de certificação florestal, selo verde. Não vai demorar não… Vc pode conhecer tudo isso de perto se quiser.

  25. Pedro Says:

    Gabriel, Não adianta argumentar. Ela de ignorante (mesmo dizendo que é estudante, ela não sabe nem o que é um projeto de manejo SUSTENTÁVEL. Ela acha que projeto de Manejo Sustentável é Reflorestamente. Será que ela não sabe que MELHOR que Reflorestal é não destruir? Ou será que ela acha que o “Sustentável” está ali só por enfeite? Melhor, será que ela é mesmo estudante de eng. florestal? Se for, deve ter entrado agora na faculdade.

    Ela fala que no Amazonas tem empresas que trabalham até com certificação, o que ela não sabe é que as duas empresas que estão na area permutadas estão em processo de certificação pelo FSC (Selo verde). Ou seja, pela sua ignorancia, em vez de ir lá conhecer a realidade, ela acha que empresas boas só existem no estado vizinho e desconhece que o trabalho que está sendo realizado pelas empresas na Nova Olinda estão sendo referência para o Brasil e para o mundo.

    Ou seja Gabriel, não adianta provar. Não adianta os fatos. Não adianta as autoridades (SEMA, Ibama, Iterpa, Polícia Civil e etc). Para ela, TODOS estão errados. Como se discute com alguém assim?

  26. Rose Says:

    Pedro, você agora acertou em cheio. Realmente eu penso que o Sustentável nesse caso está lá só de enfeite. Foi um termo, um conceito criado pelo movimento ambientalista, que as empresas se apropriaram como moda, e tentam encaixar dele dentro tudo que lhes interessa. Sobre o selo do FSC, que bom que estão tentando, mas acredito que se esse selo tiver realmente credibilidade, do jeito que as coisas são feitas em nova olinda vai ser difícil receber. Sobre sema, ibama, iterpa, minha opinião é clara, estão fazendo e sempre fizeram corpo mole porque estão comprometidos com outro tipo de coisa que não a sustentabilidade.
    Afinal, quem vai pagar as próximas campanhas eleitorais?

  27. Gabriel Malta Says:

    Prezada Rose,
    é uma pena vc não se dar a chance de conhecer os dois lados para depois formar sua opinião… Vejo que vc sequer conhece um projeto de manejo lá da área e já afirma que o trabalho é errado, que não tem crédito.
    Assim fica muito difícil conseguir estabelecer qq tipo de diálogo. Vc se diz conhecedora de algo que não presenciou, isso é ilógico. Chegou ao ponto de dizer que alguns comunitários arregimentados são pagos com salários de peões. Olha, isso é sério, é uma acusação séria, vc não pode falar isso dessa forma. As pessoas lá dentro são registradas, com carteira assinada, tem uma aposentadoria garantida, décimo terceiro, aviso prévio, vc acha isso salário de peão? E se fosse um peão teria os mesmos direitos trabalhistas, Rose.
    O selo do FSC vai sair ainda esse ano, depois disso a gente conversa de novo. Quem sabe vc mude um pouco a sua cabeça ou quem sabe vc diga que o selo verde foi comprado tb, enfim, me parece que tudo que eu te falar vc não vai me dar crédito, vai dizer que compraram. E olha que vc nem me conhece e nem conhece o Projeto que te falei. A única diferença entre nós é que eu reconheço que existem pessoas sérias em todos os lugares, isso significa dizer, no greenpeace, em outras ongs, e tb no setor madeireiro. Assim como tb reconheço que existem madeireiros ruins na Amzônia, mas pode estar certa que tb tem gente ruim dentro dessas ONGs. Até mais, Rose. Caso deseje conhecer o Projeto que mencionei é só dizer.

  28. Rose Says:

    Quero tanto ir visitar lá esse modelo de exploração sustentável! Mas não posso pegar carona no aviãozinho que vcs usam para chegar lá, igual aquele que colocaram para o repórter fazer essa reportagem super imparcial.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O1xdoaNdnE

    Por falar nisso, a pista de pouso lá é regular?

  29. Gabriel Malta Says:

    Vc é uma porta mesmo. Aposto que adorou ver o MST derrubando milhares de pés de laranja, hein?? rsrsrs
    E viva o Hugo Cháves!!!!

  30. Gabriel Malta Says:

    PS: o que imparcial para vc? Dizer que os madeireiros são bandidos e vcs são os mocinhos, os pobres coitados??? ahhh, como tenho peninha de vcs… pobres coitados, injustiçados… é isso que vcs querem passar ao resto da sociedade.
    Ah, e os pés de laranja?? Deixa derrubar, né?! Os empresários não prestam mesmo, o certo é derrubar as laranjas por uma boa causa, né? É certo tb ameaçar as pessoas dentro das balsas com arma de fogo, querida?? Aposto que vc acha que sim….
    Hugo Chavés! Viva, viva!! MST!! Viva, viva!!! Bahhh, vc é uma socialista da esquerda que deve ter lido umas frases feitas sobre Karl Marx e reproduz tudo que leu e escuta na mídia.
    Desculpe, mas não teve jeito, bem que eu tentei conversar civilizadamente, mas pessoas como vc fazem ironia o tempo todo, tive que fazer o mesmo, isso é deprimente….

  31. Gabriel Malta Says:

    Ah Rose, nesse projeto que te falei ainda não temos pista de pouso pq ainda não tivemos como comprar um avião. Ainda nào conseguimos lucrar da forma como certas ONGs lucram, mas com certeza vamos chegar lá!!! Qd comprarmos o avião eu te aviso, quem sabe a gente dá uma voltinha???
    kkkkk

  32. Marcos Says:

    Cara Rose, me admira vc como engenheira florestal não saber que quem maneja a floresta não precisa reflorestar, pois em um projeto de manejo são deixadas as matrizes e remanescentes! É necessário um ciclo de 30 anos para poder voltar a mesma floresta e explorar novamente! Manejo não é desmate!
    Acredito sim que existam empresas com responsabilidade ambiental, são poucas concordo, mas existem. No Pará se vc não sabe existem sim empresas com certificação séria e não só no Amazonas como você fala.

  33. Cintia Lopes Says:

    Rose e todos leitores do blog,
    Gostaria de esclarecer que a madeira que está nas balsas é oriunda de Projeto de Manejo, é legal. Os projetos de manejo são benéficos ao meio ambiente e às comunidades que moram ao redor, uma vez que empregam pessoas e geram renda a elas e ao Estado.
    Eu conheço um projeto de lá, as pessoas são empregadas com carteira assinada, tem alimentação e transporte, fora os outros benefícios trabalhistas. Esse projeto, como outras pessoas já falaram aqui, inclusive, está em processo de certificação (selo verde).
    Os manifestantes, eles sim, estão na órbita do ilegal, uma vez que renderam pessoas que estão dentro dessas balsas e produtos legalizados, fruto de trabalho honesto. De acordo com depoimentos, os manifestantes estão fortemente armados, inclusive com arma de fogo. Isso sim é crime que deve ser combatido. Esclarece-se, ainda, que apenas 3 comunidades das 14 existentes fazem parte do protesto, um contigente de pessoas que não alcança sequer o número de 80, ao contrário do que se têm divulgado por alguns sites.
    Já está na hora de parar de colocar todos os madeireiros num balaio só, como se fossem todos errados. Não é assim, tem gente que trabalha certo, na lei, trabalho de gente honesta.
    Não é porque uma pessoa é empresário e madeireiro que lucra que ele é ruim. Pelo amor de Deus, quem é que trabalha de graça? O lucro é fruto do empreendimento, empreendimento este que gera renda sim pra região e para as pessoas de lá que muitas vezes estavam sem expectativa nenhuma. Tá na hora de cobrarmos de nossos governantes, eles sim tem que garantir melhores condições de vida às comunidades, os empresários já fazem grande parte empregando com carteira assinada, pagando impostos e royaltes ao Governo. O Governo deveria pegar esse dinheiro e investir na região, cuidar mais daquelas pessoas. Qual é o mal em ser empresário? Pelo amor de Deus, vcs precisam centralizar essa força toda em cima do Governo e parar de achar que todo madeireiro é errado, isso não existe, tem gente sim que trabalha certo naquela região e que se preocupa sim com o Meio Ambiente!!. É lógico que tem, é ignorância achar que todos são errados e que não se preocupam com o Meio Ambiente, pelo amor de Deus, isso é balela, conversa pra boi dormir, conversa de grande interesse para algumas ONGs que atuam na Amazonia

  34. Rose Says:

    Gabriel,
    Posso ser uma porta, mas não com a madeira tirada pela tua empresa ou para a qual vc trabalha. Na porta de uma casa, as pessoas tem opção de deixar entrar quem quizer. Neste caso, tenho o direito de deixar entrar na minha cabeça a idéia que eu acho mais certa.
    Outra coisa, se o seu tom de humor for igual ao bom manejo da floresta que vc diz fazer, então estamos fritos mesmo, porque seu humor é péssimo. Nem bem aguentou continuar a discussão e já partir para me comparar com um ou outro, só porque não concordo com você.
    Sobre MST, Hugo e outros exemplos que vc citou, saiba que eu não concordo com a maioria das coisas que andam fazendo.
    E ao contrário do que você diz, eu não reproduzo tudo que leio e ouço na mídia, pois se fosse assim, eu estaria concordando com você agora e quase te santificando, porque é assim que a mídia tem tratado os madeireiros.
    Já que sua empresa não tem avião ainda, vc poderia me dizer qual é o outro madeireiro não tão bom quanto você, que tem uma pista de pouso sim na área. Vc vai dizer que não sabe ou não conhece pra proteger seus colegas?

  35. Rose Says:

    Agora vi que resolveram juntar o exército dos madeireiros bonzinhos. Apareceu mais o Marcos e a Cintia. Sobre o que vcs escrevem, já comentei bastante.

  36. Gabriel Malta Says:

    Kkkkkkkk, o meu humor, Rose??
    Desde o início o que vc fez aqui foi ironizar todo mundo a todo instante…
    vc disse: ”quem vai pagar as próximas campanhas? Tem avião no teu projeto, não posso andar nele…Quero tanto ir visitar esse projeto!”
    E por aí vai… Será que fui eu quem comecei a ironizar e insinuar coisas, querida?
    kkkkkk
    PS: não sou madeirero, minha cara. Sou um funcionário público esclarecido, que estuda e sabe o que é um projeto de manejo (e olha que eu nem sou engenheiro florestal), ah e tb que sabe que em qq lugar existem os corretos e os incorretos.

    Bem, Tchauzinho, Rose. Já vai tarde! rsrsrss,

  37. Pedro Says:

    Pista de Pouso? kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

    Faz me rir!!!!

    Pensa numa mulher ignorante.. Já ouviu falar de Taxi Aereo? Não sei se vc sabe, mas dá pra alugar um taxi aereo.. E deixa de falar asneira, AINDA não tem pista de pouso lá (Pelo motivo que o Gabriel falou, nenhum dos malvados empresários ainda não tem condições de comprar avião). Os aviões pousam em uma estrada (e antes que venha falar que a estrada é ilegal, saiba que ela é MUNICIPAL)..

    Isso é que dar falar sem saber. Fala Merda.

    Pousar em estrada pode? Claro que não.. Mas daí vc pode reclamar na ANAC que o taxi aereo pode levar uma multa.. Vai lá..

    Mas mesmo que tivessemos avião, quer dizer que além dos empresário, os pilotos são malvados agora também? Ixi.. então to enrolado, pois estou fazendo curso para tirar licenca de piloto.. Que malvado que eu sou..

  38. Pedro Says:

    Rose Engenheira? Só se for de engenho de cana de açúcar.. kkkkkkkkkk… Não sabe nem o que é PMFS.. se ignorância matasse….

  39. Rose Says:

    Gabriel,

    Agora acho que a situação ficou pior, porque pelo seu discurso eu achava que vc realmente era dono ou trabalhava para alguma madeireira (se é que não trabalha). Mas vc diz que é um funcionário público esclarecido. Bom, nesse caso, tomara que vocẽ não trabalhe em nenhum órgão ambiental do estado, porque se trabalhar, de novo estamos fritos. Um funcionário público assumindo publicamente estar apenas de um lado do jogo, daquela parte que desmata com uma moto-serra encapada com uma fantasia de sustentável, esse termo que se prostituiu (ou o prostituíram) em pouco tempo.

    Sobre seu humor, realmente se depender dele você estaria desempregado, assim que aconselho você ficar no mesmo ramo que está.

    Pedro,
    Uma coisa é certa, se os madeireiros que exploram a gleba nova olinda ainda não tem dinheiro pra comprar avião, mas já tem para alugar, o que não custa nada barato. O problema não é se o avião é de vcs ou não, mas o uso ilegal de estradas públicas transformando-as em pistas de pouco clandestinas. Outra coisa que é certa. Vocês que dizem fazer tudo dentro da lei, como é que contratam um taxi aéreo que pousa em pistas clandestinas? Estão compactuando com isso também, portanto é sua responsabilidade.

    Sobre engenharia florestal, ainda não sou mesmo, estou estudando. Mas você não precisa me ensinar o que é plano de manejo sustentável, pois a questão é que não concordo com o uso desses planos, que são apenas papéis elaborados para encapar de sustentável as moto-serras. Esse papinho mole que não desmata e que a floresta se recupera em 30 anos é lorota… é muito provável que as áreas vão sendo abertas para depois vir a pecuária.

  40. Gabriel Malta Says:

    Rose querida,
    Não estou do lado de qualquer madeireiro, estou do lado daqueles madeireiros corretos, que trabalham certo, como alguns exemplos que estão na Gleba Nova Olinda. Vc não sabe ler, não? É só vc fazer um esforço e ler o que escrevi até agora que vai entender que desde o início estou defendendo os madeireiros corretos.
    Peça para alguém ler para vc, sozinha acho que vc não entende as coisas que te falam.
    Não trabalho em órgão ambiental não, estou na profissão correta, graças a Deus. Já quanto a vc, que tal mudar de profissão porque como engenheira florestal tá complicado. Aconselho até vc a se alfabetizar novamente, quem sabe vc aprende a ler as coisas direito.
    E viva a justiça! Viva ao Projeto de Manejo, a exploração da Amazônia de forma sustentável. Viva as pessoas honestas, que trabalham certo, que empregam pessoas, com carteira assinada e geram renda a essas e ao Estado do Pará. Abaixo esse pensamento ignorante e ultrapassado de que todo setor madeireiro é vilão, abaixo as más ONGs que instigam conflitos fundiários no Brasil! Viva ao esclarecimento e a verdade!

  41. Cíntia Lopes Says:

    Gente,
    Estou vendo a discussão de vcs. Não percam tempo. Essa Rose é uma caso perdido.
    Ela lê e escuta o que quer, desde o início vcs estão falando em parte do setor madeireiro, a parte correta. Ela acha q vcs defendem os ruins ou pensa sei lá o que…. É doida! Esqueçam.

  42. Rose Says:

    Gabriel,

    Resumindo, esse lado bom madeireiro que você afirma ter em Nova Olinda não existe tanto assim. Eu entendi bem que você tenta mostrar que defende o lado dos bons madeireiros. Mas isso, está mais para tema de novela, do que parte da realidade.

    Já a cíntia, por não ter muito conteúdo pra apresentar, vem com essa conversa (dela) de maluca.

    Por mim, encerro esse papo aqui, porque pior do que conversar com uma porta, é conversar com a turma que gosta da madeira.

  43. Cíntia Lopes Says:

    ainda bem que encerrou, ninguém te aguenta mais. kkkkkkkkk

    já vai tarde como já disse outra pessoa por aqui. kkkk

  44. Gabriel Malta Says:

    Já vai tarde, Rosee
    Duvido que na tua casa não tenha absolutamente nada de madeira, quem sabe a cadeira que vc senta ou mesa que vc come, ou a tua porta, no mínimo. rsrsrsrs
    tchau pra vc que não gosta da madeira, mas que aposta que usa.

  45. Rose Says:

    Cintia, é claro que vc não aguenta mais. Não sustenta dois parágrafos na discussão.
    Já o grabriel, em mais um teste pra seu humor, não entendeu o que eu ironizei da madeira, mas deixa pra lá. Por outro lado, minha casa tem muita coisa de madeira, inclusive belos móveis feitos pelas comunidades no projeto oficinas caboclas, mas nesse caso o manejo da floresta é sustentável mesmo. Com o uso de uma pequena quantidade de madeira, gera renda para muitas famílias, com produtos a preços ótimos. Já a extração madeireira que vocês fazem, vai toda bruta abastecer o mercado de fora, nada é beneficiado aqui, desse modo lucrando com a destruição da amazônia.

  46. Gabriel Malta Says:

    roseee,
    vc de novo!!! com o mesmo papinho!!??
    não tinha se despedido já umas três vezes??
    como vc é chata! tchauuuuu
    vai estudar mais

  47. Cínita Lopes Says:

    Não dá para sustentar nenhuma linha com vc, Rose.
    Vc é muito burra.
    Já desistimos de tentar falar com vc, nem sei pq vc continua aqui falando estas tuas asneiras. Já entendemos que vc não entende o que falamos, então achamos ótimo vc dar tchau e realmente se despedir.
    Isso não sou só eu: tem vários nomes que vi aqui que tentaram dialogar com vc e vc ironiza todos: Gabriel, Pedro, Marcos, Karla….
    Tchau, Rose!!! Adeus!

  48. Rose Says:

    Pois é, até agora não tinha chamado ninguém de burro nem chato. Parece aquelas coisas de criança mimada: vc é muito chata!!! cala a boca sua burra!! rsrs. Na verdade desde o início era isso que vcs sempre quiseram dizer e como não arranjaram mais nenhum argumento, porque com os que mostraram não só vão convencer os seus, partiram para as ofensas. Muito bem, vão em frente, mostrem quem vocês são e a arrogância da forma como vocês pensam estar todos certos.

  49. Cínita Lopes Says:

    ahh, tadinha!
    vc não chamou ninguém de burro, não?? Tem certeza?? A todo instante vc fez isso, querida, ironizando e nas entrelinhas, todo momento.
    lindinha
    tadinha, injustiçada

  50. Pedro Says:

    Taaaaaaaddddiinhaaaaaaa delaaaaaa 🙁

  51. Pedro Says:

    Acho que essa hora, vocês já devem estar sabendo o que o Movimento “pacífico” já aprontou né? Que absurdo! É um bando de fora-da-leis!

  52. MARCOS Says:

    Cara Rose, primeiramente fiquei feliz em saber que você ainda esta estudando engenharia florestal, pois significa que ainda irá aprender muita coisa que realmente a gente só vem a aprender no decorrer do curso e mais ainda após formado, através da experiência.
    Rose, não vejo problema algum em empresários usarem aviões fretados ou particulares para chegar até suas propriedades, isso não significa que são ou não pessoas honestas e sustentáveis. Uma coisa não tem nada haver com a outra. São simplesmente meios de transporte e vale ressaltar que a 24 dias as empresas que trabalham ali e possuem propriedade privada na região estão impossibilitados dos seus direitos de ir e vir de suas próprias propriedades por conta do manifesto que não deixa passar pelo rio arapiuns que por sinal é o único acesso via fluvial a área.
    Rose, o Ideflor possue imagem satélite atualizada agora de outubro de 2009, eles monitoram todas as explorações na Gleba Nova Olinda I e estão sempre observando se as explorações condizem com os limites das licenças emitidas pela SEMA. Penso que não seja muito difícil você ter acesso a estas imagens, o que seria muito interessante para você tirar algumas dúvidas.
    Com relação ao ciclo dos 30 anos que você não acredita, é lamentável, pois já esta mais do que comprovado que a floresta se regenera neste prazo. E com relação a pecuária Rose, vale ressaltar para você que a empresa que tem como missão fechar um ciclo de 30 anos ela não tem o menor interesse em desmatar, fazer corte raso para pecuária. Outra coisa que não atrai uma empresa sustentável a fazer corte raso é o prejuízo, você sabe que galhadas, juquira, isso não da lucro, desta forma empresas sustentáveis preferem esperar a floresta se regenerar e voltar a explorar seu produto de maior valor que é a madeira em si. Vale ressaltar mais ainda que nem todo madeireiro é pecuarista!
    Outro ponto ainda importante com relação ao desmatamento, corte raso:
    As empresas com área privada na região possuem escrituras das mesmas e pelo conhecimento que tenho é a primeira vez na historia do Estado do Para que foi concedida uma área aonde é proibido desmate, corte raso, pois como você sabe na legislação do nosso pais é autorizado a desmatar, fazer corte raso em ate 20% da propriedade, mas nesta regularização fundiária feita na Gleba Nova Olinda I em 2006 não é autorizado desmate, corte raso e sim 100% manejo florestal, justamente no intuito de manter a floresta em pé e permitir sua auto regeneração.
    A sustentabilidade através de manejo florestal Rose não é um sonho impossível, e sim um sonho talvez ainda pouco divulgado, mas acredito nele, acredito porque consegui comprovar através de parcerias com algumas empresas e ONGs inclusive que principalmente o manejo de baixo impacto reduz custos e automaticamente aumenta lucros, isso é fantástico!
    Rose sempre falo que se no mundo tivessem mais ONGs ensinando as pessoas a trabalhar de forma sustentável seria a grande solução. O problema é que são pouquíssimas as ONGs orientadoras, mas elas existem. A maioria só pensa em criticar, punir através de suas reportagens das quais muitas são reais, mas muitas não. As ONGs antes de simplesmente sobrevoarem uma área e saírem falando coisas que nem sempre são verdades, as vezes sobrevoam área de comunidade que esta lá fazendo sua rocinha de subsistência ou ate mesmo área de desmatamento ilegal e daí já colocam na reportagem que é das empresas que estão instaladas nas proximidades, enfim, elas deveriam pelo menos tentar fazer contato com as supostas empresas que estão naquela região para ai sim depois tirar suas conclusões e fazer suas criticas nas reportagens. Hoje em dia é a coisa mais fácil do mundo conseguir um telefone, um email, enfim qualquer contato de uma empresa ou pessoa, basta querer!
    Rose, não coloco minha mão no fogo por qualquer empresário do setor florestal, mas te garanto que conheço quem trabalha realmente com visão de compromisso ambiental acompanhado de lucro é claro, pois ninguém trabalha para não obter lucro, mas só acho injusto quem esta tentando ser legal ser prejudicado por uma onda entende? É desanimador.
    Estou a disposição para o que for preciso e acho que esta discussão de vocês não leva a nada. É justamente o que falta quando se fala em manejo florestal, as pessoas pouco sabem sobre o assunto, porque pouco se divulga, pouco se explica, pouco se dialoga. Bate boca não leva a nada.

  53. MARCOS Says:

    Rose agora que li seu comentário sobre os moveis produzidos por comunidades, acho este trabalho também fantástico, inclusive acho que o governo deveria incentivar mais este tipo de trabalho, pois como você disse, pode ser sustentável e gerar renda. E justamente o que venho falando aqui o tempo todo.
    A única diferença deste trabalho comunitário e de empresas é que a quantidade movimentada é maior pelas empresa, mas não significa que não existem empresas sustentáveis e que produzem sim seus produtos beneficiados para somente depois serem exportados!
    Sou a favor inclusive Rose de parcerias entre empresas e comunidades para produção sustentável e geração de renda, mas como sempre digo, o estado deveria ser mais presente, orientar melhor como isso poderia acontecer, desenvolver projetos para este tipo de parceria e incentivar mais ambos os lados, tantos da produção em baixa escala pelas comunidades quanto as de grande escala para os empresários sérios. ~
    Rose os meios de tecnologia que hoje existem nos órgãos públicos possuem instrumentos suficientes para saber a quilômetros de distancia quem esta trabalhando de forma sustentável ou não, é uma pena que muitos não sabem ou “não querem” usar estes meios fantásticos de monitoramento. Se a tecnologia que temos atualmente fosse realmente usada como deveria, a ilegalidade seria combatida com muito mais facilidade!!! Mas infelizmente so sabem dizer que não existe funcionário suficiente para ir em campo verificar se é legal ou não, que não tem verba para estar atendendo todo o estado fiscalizando in loco… uma pena, pois se tivesse um centro so monitorando via satélite as ilegalidades o dinheiro seria gasto direcionado diretamente aonde já se tem indícios de elegalidade e com toda certeza muita coisa mudaria!
    Mas somos brasileiros não é? Então ainda temos esperança

  54. nina Says:

    Lamento que esteja acontecendo este aprisionamento de balsas por pessoas que se dizem “índios” desejosos de se apoderarem do trabalho sério destes madereiros.O Projeto Nova Olinda e a madeira destas balsas é comprovadamente legal e oriúnda da exploração sustentável da floresta, feita por gente consciente e responsável. Chega de bandalheira deste “ribeirinhos que se dizem índios”… e que desejam uma Amazônia subdesenvolvida e miserável, por preguiça…

  55. Cínita Lopes Says:

    BANDO DE CRIMINOSOS, VÂNDALOS É ISSO QUE ELES TODOS SÃO!! COLOCARAM FOGO EM TUDO!! AINDA VÃO MATAR PESSOAS DESSE JEITO!! BANDO DE CRIMINOSOS!!! VÂNDALOS!!!

  56. Cínita Lopes Says:

    TÁ AÍ QUERIDA ROSE!! GOSTOU DO QUE OS INJUSTIÇADOS FIZERAM?? SÓ ESSA QUEIMADA DEVE TER FEITO UM BEM DANADO AO MEIO AMBIENTE, A CAMADA DE OZÔNIO, AO AQUECIMENTO GLOBAL, NÃO É MESMO????

  57. Fábio Pena Says:

    Por motivo de ofensas pessoais e uso de palavras inadequadas, alguns comentários postados nesta matéria do Blog estão sendo bloqueadas.

  58. Pedro Says:

    Tá aí a categoria de defensores do meio ambiente provocando essa queimada de madeira de plano de manejo sustentável..
    Não se preocupem pessoal, logo os criminosos responsáveis por tal crime contra o meio ambiente e propriedade alheia vão estar no lugar que é merecido: Atrás das grades!
    Tema e trema (ir)responsáveis pela mentira, baderna e ódio. Pois querendo ou não, gostando ou não, neste país ainda existe lei. A lei “dos brancos” tão brancos quanto são esses falsos índios.
    Aos verdadeiros índios, o respeito e a admiração! Aos falsos índios e mentirosos, a justiça!

  59. Manoel Cardoso de Freitas Says:

    Eu gostaria de de dizer que essa situação que está acontecendo na Gleba Nova Olinda se consolida como vergonha para Santarém, onde pessoas estão sendo enganadas por ONGs ligadas ao Green Peace para se denominarem indos. Muitas pessoas que sabem que verdadeiramente essa área do rio Arapiuns foi colonizada por pessoas de outras regiões do Brasil e de paises estrangeiros, como Colômbia e Paraguai.
    Tenho fontes que garantem que os decendentes das pessoas que imigraram do Paraguai para Santarém estão sofrendo ameaças por parte desse cacique de Araque intitulado “Dada”. Para finalizar gostaria de falar que a população do Arapiuns precisa de conscientizar que tanto as ONGs quanto lideres religiosos, como padres e pastores que esão incentivando os ribeirinhos a se transformarem em indios, não podem mudar a história do Brasil.

  60. anônio Says:

    Lamentável que nosso governo tenha deixado isso acontecer!
    Tanta madeira ILEGAL circulando por ai e vão justamente queimar uma que estava explorada legalmente, proveniente de Projeto de manejo que foi autorizado, que esta sendo executado realmente? Tantos projetos fantasmas que existem só para circular crédito de papel, e quem o faz e o executa paga este preço ai que o Brasil esta vendo: toras e toras viraram cinza.
    Lamentável que o setor empresarial seja sempre o punido. Infelizmente tudo irá continuar na mesma situação, pois a definição de área indígena independe do poder que eles tanto falam que os empresários possuem e sim de reconhecimento da Funai, que por sinal emitiu certidão para o Estado do Pará em 1999 garantindo a NÂO existência de índios na região e autorizando o governo do estado para fazer a regularização fundiária da mesma, o que esta sendo feito por sinal e satisfaz 11 das 14 comunidades ali existentes ao entorno da gleba nova oinda I.
    Quem esta por trás destas 3 comunidades que querem ser índios? Quais os interesses?
    Lembrando que reserva indígena passa a ser patrimônio da humanidade, acooordem, o Brasil esta virando só reserva e a nossa Amazônia esta indo embora aos poucos!!!
    Quem forneceu toda aquela gasolina para atear fogo na madeira? Quem será indiciado pelo crime? Quem será preso pela baderna? Quem irá responder por este ato absurdo que aconteceu?
    Porque as ONGs não estão divulgando este ocorrido? Por quê?
    Cadê o discurso deles de defesa da floresta? Isso é defesa? Queimar 1500m3 de madeira nativa? Isso é defesa da floresta será? Incrível, lamentável, absurdo, revoltante!

  61. Marina Says:

    onde será que os ribeirinhos que se denominam índios e que são os injustiçados conseguiram grana pra comprar tanto caombustível pra queimar tudo aquilo, hein? Sim, pq não foi pouco o que eles tiveram que usar pra queimar aquilo… no mínimo uns 300 litros

  62. Anonimo Says:

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